So-called "hipsters" get a bad rap from most of the Seattle crowd. I have no real opinion on them, as I am not sure I really even know what a "hipster" is. It's a label that seems to get thrown around a lot, but used on very different people. Regardless, there's apparently a new reason for them to get bashed: Mars Hill Church, a scary fundie cult centered on Capitol Hill.
Maybe I'm being a little harsh in calling them a "cult", but any organization that enforces backwards rules the rest of society has moved past (like "prescribed gender roles"), pushes reproduction to increase membership and further the message, and has group housing to help segregate it's members from outside influence - that stinks of cult to me. This could describe Catholicism too, to some degree, and I would say Catholicism has not outgrown its cult roots.
It's no secret that I'm not a fan of religion. But fundamentalists in particular really piss me off, no matter what religion you're talking about. These guys make me nauseous.
8 months ago
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Don't forget the Mormons.
They are worse then the Catholics. And the fact a dime novelist wrote their bible and they all believe it. (Black people can’t be accepted into heaven until they change their skin color to white*?)
The concept that they are black because of their sins is insane. Something I would consider a cult.
If that is true why are the serial killers white?
-Psyber
*= Course I haven’t totally read the book of Mormon, though I have heard it from several different sources that this is written, so please chime in and let me know how far off the mark I am folks if this is not true, I’m not interested enough to go read it to verify.
This is crap. A salon article, completely biased, writes negatively about a Christian church... A religion which the liberal leaning salon.com writers don't tend to follow, and you buy it, hook, line and sinker.
Maybe you should try to listen to Mark Driscoll's sermons (they are online) before you bash.
http://fromthemorning.blogspot.com
Err.. dude (mtr), did you even read the article?
I thought that it was a completely reasonable, fair representation of the Mars Hill community. It discusses the success that Driscoll has had spreading his gospel. It discusses members' reasons for conversions, shows the sense of community formed by people living together, and (for instance) working together to build fences, discusses the hardships of (in one woman's case) giving up her body to the task of having children and not reading "secular books" or "associating with her old friends".
Is there anything in this article you can show specifically is not true or unduly biased, or are you just knee-jerk-reacting to the use of the word "cult"?
I've actually attended a Mars Hill service, albeit once so I'm no expert, but I will respond to the article.
I can see where his doctrine of indocrination can scare a person at face value, but what he's doing is scriptual. The whole breed and multiply facet of the old testament seems to ring true for them, but I would hardly call it a cult.
When we first think of breeding for an ideology we usually think of the third reich and I can see where it would raise a few eyebrows for Matt.
I do recommend attending a service there if not to only here his view from the horse's mouth and not through the filter of Salon.
"The next time you read Genesis, think of Snoop." WTF?
Psyber - In the book of Mormon it states to the effect that black people are the direct decendants of Cain and are therefore under a generational curse, however this was thrown out of their doctrine in the early forties. You won't find it in any book published since then; however Mormon fundamentalists, like Warren Jeffs, preach it till this day. I don't remember reading about changing their skin color. In fact if I remember right they can't get to the celestial kingdom at all. I'm not a Mormon scholar, but you may want to look this up.
Thanks Wiwille..
I understood it to be something like that, after all religion should not be about non-tolerance or claiming a certain genetic line of people must go to hell regardless of their actions and belief. The fact the original text claims that makes it bunk to me. You shouldn't have to drasticaly modify or censor holy text for it to be viable.
I disagree with any religion that states that people go to hell because of skin color. So everyone that has partial African American decent will also be excluded as well I would assume. As you got to be wholly clean or you don’t get into the “Club house”
I’m finished with the topic, so not going to bother looking it up. It was still started as a dime novel, not as a work of God, so I have the right to say I personally don’t believe in Mormonism and think its crap.
But then I have problems with a lot of organized and “commercialized” religions.
Ultimately I believe, for those who believe, anything that can or can’t get you in heaven has nothing to do with the people you hang out with inside of a building, aslso it has nothing to do with someone telling you to do some task to cleanse yourself of a sin, or tell you something you do is sin.
It has to completely do with you and God. Not with you and another person who claims to be Gods representative. That’s where this whole, "If I blow up innocent women and children with a bomb strapped to me, I get to go to heaven and have virgins" comes from.
Course you get to be the virgin, and um, it isn’t heaven your going to. (the way I see it.) and you get to get screwed over and over again, but it also isn’t sex your having…
-Psyber
Sometimes, I just love to stir shit up. That was really the point of this post. Well, that, and that I really don't like fundies.
"Is there anything in this article you can show specifically is not true or unduly biased, or are you just knee-jerk-reacting to the use of the word "cult"?"
Yes, read the editor's choice letter on salon.com, titled "from the horse's mouth".
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